Majority of my selling is done directly to suppliers of major websites as price and demand fluctuate. I also have regulars from guild leaders to casuals who hit me up, below is a screenshot of what i made off this particular website in the first 3 weeks of wrath launch, but as mentioned i sell all over the place. Id avarage $2-3000 per month for the first 3 months of an expansion launch, ill run anywhere from 5-25 bots at a time. To explain the SS this was the profit on this site during wrath launch, its not the biggest site i use, but just over $1000 from it.

https://imgur.com/a/gLyCwQz

Been doing this since the glider days ( real vanilla ) , on and off between the years. Not here to gloat or shitpost, just see ALOT of misinformation regarding selling gold in wow, for example i am not chinese, i do care about the game and i do belive more should/could be done to stop people like me.

That said, ask me anything.

Basically my guild died and I wanted to finish my Valanyr, so I started hosting some SR runs with fragments reserved. It was a complete disaster: loot drama, people saying that class doesn't need x items, people just alt f4-ing after their item doesnt drop, we were left with 20 people at yogg and couldn't even finish the raid, and it was a normal run. This happened twice.

After this I decided screw it I'm hosting GDKPs, well, everybody sticks in, very easy to replace people in case it happens cause new recruits just get the full cut, and we cleared algalon and almost all hms every time.

So what are we talking about? I think without bots Gdkps would still exist, but instead of selling things at 50k they would sell for 3-5, but this model of raiding is just too efficient.

Remember that Blizzard simply doesn't have the talent anymore.

Remember the back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back failures in just the last 5 years alone.

Why in the world would you want the Blizzard from 10 years ago; let alone 5 years ago; let alone NOW touch WoW classic?

The only possible outcomes are disaster and at best mediocrity. Unless they outsource it. The only company that comes to mind is the studio that did D2:R. Everything else has been trash compared to 20 years ago.

You're not asking for Classic+. You're asking for Wow Classic by Activision.

edit: I didn't mean to disparage the hard workers, but their output due to the environment they're in. There's plenty of talented people but they're being held back.

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With the character rebalancing on TWoW, is the spec pool more viable? Yes! Meta classes are still pretty dominant, but much more specs are seen and are viable for leveling (druids get insect swarm as a learned ability for example and a new talent to replace it).

Is crafting more valuable compared to classic? Way more valuable, there are a lot of recipes that help fill in gear gaps, and it for sure creates a better economy from what I can tell and makes professions very, very useful while leveling.

Are the new dungeons/raids going to be sidegrades or trying to fix "holes" in classic design? Yes, most of the new content is below level 55 to help substitute weird gaps in the classic leveling experience. You can expect locations to have extra buildings or new npc's, maybe more quests, or entirely new hubs altogether (2 goblin islands near Booty Bay, goblins in dustwallow marsh, etc)

A lot of people over the years have discussed a WoW sequel, but hear me out. What if instead we got a prequel that takes place ~10,000 years prior to the WoW Classic timeline?

According to the WoW lore, 10,000 years ago, the Burning Legion invaded Azeroth and there was a huge global conflict known as the War of the Ancients. At the end of this war, a massive source of energy sitting at the center of Azeroth literally exploded, which split the landmass into the parts that we know in the current WoW, i.e. Kalimdor, Northrend, Pandaria, Kul Tiras, etc. This event is known as the Sundering in the WoW lore.

I think there is huge untapped potential here. Over the years, WoW has given us a lot of flashbacks from this era, but a MMORPG that actually takes place in the pre-Sundering world could be the breath of fresh air that the Warcraft franchise needs.

Xaryu's clips popped up in my YT feed the other day and he lost a low level warrior because he was literally killing things higher level than him, not looking at the screen, purposefully dying so he can fake a reaction for content.

Mind you Xaryu was literally part of Classic Lv 60 dueling tourneys, server first raid events and is a multi-R1 and this guy has to spend his day acting overreacting to Level 20 Barrens quests to keep his chat alive.

The whole scene is just milking boring content and farming reactions, and I mean good for them for making money off of it but man it's just so low brow and talentless content that it makes it hard not to cringe when you see it.

For the people who genuinely watch these Twitch streamers daily, how do you guys get past all the fake reactions? It's just so hard not to notice it and tune out.

Maybe a controversial take, but IMHO everything that you guys are worried is going to ruin HC won't actually matter. Let's take your average HC player who always dies between lvl 15 and 20. Let's say he swipes the credit card, trades gold for real money, and buys some insane twink gear from the AH at lvl 10. Enchanted green items, enchanted weapon that OHKOs mobs, 16 slot bags, etc.

I can guarantee you that person still won't make it past level 40. They will get cocky, try to take on too many mobs at once and die. Or fall off a cliff and die from fall damage. Or aggro a high-level roaming elite mob (ex: the bird Zaricotl in Badlands) and die to that. The grind from 40 to 60 is tedious and most people don't make it no matter how good their gear is. Buying OP gear from the AH won't change much to that. The good players will make it to 60 in a couple of hours faster but that's it. And even those that pay for dungeon boosts from lvl 10 to 60 will die the moment they step foot in an end-game dungeon.

tl;dr: even with potential RMT on official HC servers, scrubs will still die before reaching 60.

I've found that there are some quests I just have no interest in trying because the risk feels greater than the reward. The Lost Fleet in Wetlands is one for me. I hate underwater boats!

So what quests do you skip?! Anything that scares you too much to even try?!

How low will it go? The demand for bought gold in the secondary market massively increased since the introduction of the classic token.

A quick check of the current rates shows that you can almost buy 3 months (14000g) subscription for the current price of 1 token ($25 in my currency).

What do people think of when they think of great dungeons in WoW? They think of places like Zul'Farrak, Uldaman, Maraudon, The Sunken Temple, Blackrock Depths, Blackrock Spire. Massive dungeons that feel epic and grand to progress in, and that tell a story. In fact, many people would argue that Blackrock Depths is still to this day the best dungeon in the history of the game.

If Blizzard giving us Classic+ was simply them adding a few dungeons like that, along with making some small changes to underperforming hybrid specializations in Classic, I think it would make a lot of people happy without fundamentally breaking the game.

Just a genuine question because i've seen a ton of people get hyped for Wrath arenas back during TBC, and I was really happy to see P1 filled with tons of new PvPers and I came for P2 a couple months ago and Arena participation on my server at least has taken a complete nose dive.

I just wanted to know why people don't like Wrath arena/PvP and don't want to participate, not looking for debates or arguments but just a general idea for the problems people have with PvP in this expansion.

This is such a shit mentality. Yeah, let's reduce crime rates by making the crime legal, that's a great plan.

Gold buying shouldn't be happening to begin with. It ruins the integrity of the game. Being able to just swipe credit card and immediately get whatever you want is completely antithetical to what Classic is supposed to be. There's a reason why pretty much every pserver cracked down hard on gold selling/buying, and we're seeing it: the game gets flooded with bots/GDKP/boost spam if you don't. Yeah, those things DO exist on pservers, but to a much lesser extent because gold buying / gold selling actually gets you permabanned, and the admins actually give a shit to hunt down and ban bots.

And instead of fighting back against the rampant "swipe credit card to win" gameplay, Blizz is openly embracing that playstyle just to make a quick buck before WOTLK ends. They most likely know that even if they do launch a "cata classic", there will be a huge dropoff in subs because most of us aren't interested. So might as well milk us while we're still here.

I was willing to accept the things like H+ and some class balancing changes, as they are pretty beneficial to the health of the game, but openly endorsing pay2win gameplay is just outright stating that you don't actually care about making a good game.

Really, it's clear Blizzard just does not give a single fuck:

-BGs still flooded with bots

-bots still farming instances 24/7

-Cannot transfer to some servers even if they're nowhere near full

-Heavy handed class changes, some that are ineffective and others that are way too effective

-Barely communicates with us at all, the most we get is a single blue post every few weeks, meanwhile retail gets constant attention and communication, classic is an afterthought

-Arena participation is at its lowest in history due to rating issues and rampant cheating going unpunished

-And now they openly encourage swiping credit card to win by adding WoW Token

GG blizz, now people are flocking back to private servers since you've shown you don't give a fuck about Classic.

Because that is literally me lol and I know from what I’ve read it seems more than unlikely.

I quit pretty much when my guild disbanded at the start of TBC, since everyone went their own ways due to the raid numbers going from 40 to 25 max and I know for a fact I would not find a guild as good again.

I tried to get in SoM but was not popular enough due to barely any changes and was released too soon imo

Right now it seems my only option is dabbling here and there in Classic Era, while fun, I kinda want something new.

Ah well, anything is possible I suppose :)

I wonder how much would players endure and how far would they get using NO addons at all. The exception would of course be the HC addon.

EDIT: Wow, a lot of defensive comments. I didn't mean to say addons are bad lol. Nor I think Vanilla is good without addons. I'm simply saying that it would be funny to see people play like ONE RUN without addons just for a different experience.

1. No appeals
2. Griefing will be rampant and highly creative
3. Whole groups of people will die to various internet/server issues

The crying on here will be biblical, and I can't wait for it.

Randomly got banned today after doing my gdkp last night. Have never purchased gold, simply run gdkps and raid lead to generate my wow income. Hit with a 14 day ban. I have been running these since AQ40 and never once received a ban. Timing with the wow token dropping this week is absolutely sus. Blizzard what is going on here?

Just curious if most people are going to continue to use the addon with all its restrictions or if your just going to level freely without the addon? I feel its best to have a consensus on this because people without the addon will be trying to invite people using the addon without knowing they cant group up. It'll be interesting. What is your thoughts?

Edit: alright seems to be a pretty general consensus that most don't want to use it, and I agree honestly. May keep it just for the death log but that's about it.

What I mean is Hardcore is essentially a single player game (yes you can duo or trio I prefer seeing those) but if you do it solo you can’t trade with people can’t group for anything other than 1 dungeon at a time. It’s just pretty wild that many people complained about retail being a single player game and praising classic’s open world interactions yet hardcore literally goes against it. Yes you have the random guild chat spam , or general chat spam (you have the same thing on retail) this post isn’t to say hardcore bad or retail good I just thought it was funny that hardcore is somewhat contradicting things people said they loved about Classic.