r/facepalm 15d ago All-Seeing Upvote 1

We've Come to This: Extreme Security in "America's Safest School".... 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/abpoll 15d ago

Ummmm. What happens if there are kids in the hallways (e.g. changing classes or having lunch) and not in the classrooms when the “intruder” shows up?

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u/SeaPixel 15d ago

The joke comments are literally what we get taught.

" what happens if you are in the hall when a shooter is present"

"Don't be in the halls when a shooter is present"

There's some run hide fight thing aswell but ya know, they are children so.

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u/Whenapanda 15d ago

We were taught how to signal we need help and to hide in the bathrooms (kinda like that glee episode) or run, get out of the school.

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u/SeaPixel 15d ago

Oh! That's sounds better. We had police (?) Come in and do a talk that wasn't very helpful. Afterwards our teachers privately explained that we wouldn't follow some of those rules because hiding when you can leave is stupid.

Idk what happened when I was a kid but we got taught to hide first? Then run? So basically if the shooter was on the other side of the school and you were by a door, we were told to go hid in the classroom rather than leave the area.

They swapped it after a bit but yea it wasn't helpful or encouraging lol

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u/user664567666 15d ago

I wasn't taught any of this shit because I live in a functional society. It's not your fault or anything but what the fuck

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u/DeaDBangeR 15d ago

Yeah, now that I think of it, the only real emergency related thing we've been taught back in school here in The Netherlands was what to if there is a fire in the building.

Never have I been trained what to do in case of an armed intruder, not even with my job as a semi government official. The closest thing we get told, is that if it ever happens, don't be a hero.

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u/TakKobe79 15d ago

Yeah but in the Netherlands you don’t have the freedoms that America has. Those freedoms are worth it.

(Sarcasm)

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u/DeaDBangeR 15d ago

How can we have any freedom if you keep hoarding all of the guns!

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u/vladi_l 15d ago

Eh, it's either guns, or functional public transit. Only the Swiss can handle having both

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u/NoThyme4Raisins 15d ago

It didn't used to be like this. When I was a kid we mostly had for drills in our districts were fire drills as well. Lockdown drills were rare.

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u/Shadewing05 15d ago

I think the best thing I’ve heard from a teacher was when they said, if we happened to be outside and near a door away from the shooter, to just book it as far away as we can, and then text a parent. After years of being told to seek cover, having a teacher just say “Ignore that policy, it’s stupid, keep yourself alive” was really refreshing.

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u/Ok_Cauliflower_3007 15d ago

Run, hide, fight is the official FBI policy, so seek cover should not be the top piece of advice anyone is giving you. The FBI woman on Stop the Killing made the point that the best way to not be shot is not be there.

Run, hide, fight isn’t in that order by accident.

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u/Sick_Sabbat 15d ago

Exactly. I absolutely hate the idea of having everyone crouched in a huddle in the corner, but it is easy to say that as someone not being in the situation. I can sit here all day and strategically say "Oh I would have all the kids get into strategic blind spots in the room and then wait for the shooter to breach then swarm." When these are children scared out of their fucking minds with zero training except on how to be sitting ducks.

We have already seen that schools with on site security still have shootings. Schools with auto lockdowns still have shootings. We need to crack down first with common sense gun control as the band aid, and crack down second heal the issue of mental health/right wing indoctrination that seems to be the reasoning for a lot of these recent shootings.

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u/Ok_Cauliflower_3007 14d ago

I mean if you’re in a classroom locking the door and getting into the corner the person can’t shoot is a good first step while you figure out where the shooter is and what is happening. Ideally the next step would be getting the kids out of the windows if possible rather than staying there and hoping he doesn’t get in.

I was mostly reacting to the comment saying they’re taught to seek cover, which is a bad first choice. If the shooter is not nearby they should be taught to get the hell out of the school by any (safe) means necessary.

If you can get out of the location that is the first step. If not seek cover the shooter can’t get to. If you are too close to the shooter to do those things then you attack, especially if there’s a group of you. In most cases where a shooter is stopped before the police arrive it is because bystanders tackled them not because of the good guy with a gun bullshit. That is only really useful if said good guy has training (just look at the ratio of shots fired to bullet wounds when normal street cops confront someone - shooting people when your adrenaline is up and especially if they’re shooting back is a hell of a lot harder than shooting beer cans in your back yard). Usually it’s people tackling them to the floor, hitting them with anything handy or, in the case of the New Zealand shooter, throwing stuff at him. There was a church pastor in the US hit a shooter over the head with a chair (which probably does fall into the category of WWJD).

Obviously not everyone will react ‘right’ - that’s why the FBI has plans and such because if what you ‘should’ do is repeatedly drilled into your head then when you panic, you’re more likely to remember and do it.

Stop the Killing is a fantastic podcast because the presenters are an Ex FBI Agent who was head of whatever their active shooter programme is called and an Aussie whose slightly baffled reaction to US gun culture is based on her country’s actions after a shooting - they changed the laws, by public demand, and haven’t had one since. They look at how they happen, what the warning signs are, what people did right or wrong in the situation etc.

Sorry that got long. I am equally fascinated and terrified by active shooters. We get like one a decade in the UK so I’m not likely to run across one but the mentality of I am mad at the world so let me go and kill as many people as I can is fascinating to me. Especially as while a few of them do, most of them don’t have a list of targets. I can somewhat understand deciding to take out all the people you blame for your problems and then yourself but my life sucks so let me shoot random people in a mall is just… I don’t know it’s like they went A, B, F and missed a load of steps in the logic.

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u/TyrionsCodpiece 15d ago

Duck, dodge, and dive. Poor rickon should have zig zagged.

GOT is now mandatory school training.

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u/MathResponsibly 15d ago

Because in the hall is really any different than cowering in the corner of the classroom protected by sideways desks and textbooks over your face??

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u/SeaPixel 15d ago

Yea, the books over the face is stupid but..... unfortunately

The classrooms do have "dead zones" where it's harder for someone to shoot into the classroom amd hit someone. It happens to be out of sight from the doorway. The idea is that people won't spend forever trying to get the right angle to shoot at or try to shoot through cement bricks and move on to easier targets.... Like people in the hallways

The pile is to keep kids together and so that if someone does get shot you can use thier body as a shield....

It's all pretty sad imo

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u/humanityisconfusing 15d ago

I can think of a few reasons for the books. 1. Shrapnel in the eye. 2. It could be advantageous to hide the student's identities from the intruder if he has a hit list of specific targets.

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u/Azrael_Asura 15d ago

Actually, the books would probably provide limited protection in the event of a ricochet or shrapnel.

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u/Weak-Sundae-5964 15d ago

They're fucked.

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u/LifeIsJustADMTTrip 15d ago

They should be fine if they have a hall pass

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u/Slow_Nebula_3333 15d ago

*They’re fine if they have a book to cover their face.

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u/EntireSentence4241 15d ago

I know.. I mean, that textbook will totally stop an AR 15... /s. WTF

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u/Capitan_Typo 15d ago

US Congres will pass laws mandating Kevlar textbook covers before they act on gun control.

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u/PhasePsychological90 15d ago

Paul Harrell did a really good video about carrying various things in a backpack, to stop bullets. It's worth the watch.

https://youtu.be/CbAqbxPItTE

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u/Extension-Type-2555 15d ago

not only did he show us what stop the bullets, but he taught us how it works too.

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u/IA-HI-CO-IA 15d ago

Instead of new textbooks, those are pure armor grade titanium meant to look like textbooks. To fool the shooters.

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u/SilvaFoxxxxOnXbox 15d ago

Hey now those books are made of the same material the desks that protected you from nukes were made of. They definitely safe.

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u/arbiter12 15d ago

rule #564: The illusion of safety is worth the same (or more) to uneducated normies, than actual safety.

The only thing the book will do is that if someone is executing your friends, one by one, you will die not knowing when was your turn to be shot...

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u/SailsTacks 15d ago

So long as it’s the right kind of book. Some have been banned, because while we should never forget Benghazi, it’s time we moved-on from that little slavery incident and January 6. Right wing books block bullets better!

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u/mttott 15d ago

What happens if someone pull fire alarm and starts shooting? What if someone starts a fire while all this is going on with locked doors and all, what if the shooter is locked with you in that class?

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u/wootsefak 15d ago

The answer is always more guns

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u/YeeT-GoD_6-6-6 15d ago

LMFAO this shouldn't be that funny

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u/Whale-n-Flowers 15d ago

I don't know, something about a kid shouting "I have a hall pass" and the shooter not shooting them is silly from the absurdity of it.

It's also insanely fucked up that school shootings are common enough that dark joke even exists.

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u/MiaLba 15d ago

Reminds me of that old internet story about the dickhead DEA officer on a ranch getting chased by the bull and the rancher yelling “YOUR BADGE! SHOW HIM YOUR BADGE!!”

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u/Street-Week-380 15d ago

Oh wow I feel a little old.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

The protocol when I was in high school was “if you’re locked out of your classroom during lockdown make your way to this location.” Basically run like hell to a designated place to take shelter, which on my campus could easily be a mile away with the shooters between you and there given the building we were told to head to was across the fucking street from the school’s front entrance.

So yes, very fucked.

I was also told that if you were “lucky,” maybe you would come across police (in full riot gear and guns drawn mind you) who’d tell you to get on the ground and identify yourself. When they determine you’re not a threat they’ll direct you run to safety, like the cops outside if they’re closer. So not as fucked but with extra trauma.

The best part about graduating was leaving behind the ever present fear that I would be next. It’s been 6 years since I’ve had to do a lockdown drill and this shit is still forever stamped in my brain.

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u/_yammz 15d ago

I love that the same people who are obsessed with guns, are also the same people who freaked out during Covid and demanded the kids have to go back to school in person, and they are also the same people banning abortions… the fuck?

At this point I feel like they are forcing birth just so they have moving fckin targets.

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u/SsooooOriginal 15d ago

It's more about keeping up the wage slave caste.

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u/Rainbow_nibbz 15d ago

Tbf gotta replace the ones they're losing or big corporations might start to feel the sting when there aren't enough cogs moving into the workplace in a few years.

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u/lobsta_rollz 15d ago

A sweet smoke show. Throw some lasers in there and we got 2 parts of a rave.

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u/graypainter 15d ago

You should come here during the day, it's completely different. This is a community college. I'm the Dean here!

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u/Omnizoom 15d ago

Some of you may die , and that is a sacrifice I’m willing to make

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u/moodylilb 15d ago

What’s this from again I’m having a brain fart lol

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u/Omnizoom 15d ago

Shrek , king farquads speech

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u/InfectedByEli 15d ago

"Thoughts and prayers"

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u/Chispy 15d ago Table Slap

"But these aren't your ordinary thoughts and prayers. These are state-of-the-art Thoughts and Prayers 3000."

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u/Dorkthrone13 15d ago

God dammit.

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u/Dimplestrabe 15d ago

Shots and scares

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u/splintersmaster 15d ago

What a kut the literal hundreds of millions we're spending per district to outfit the schools with upgraded security means instead of upgrading infrastructure or paying staff or increasing educational tools.

Our budgets are finite and we're spending more on bullshit to keep bad guys out... They have automatic rifles that'll piece all of these measures and anything to combat it is bullshit.... Instead of teaching our kids.

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u/GreenTheHero 15d ago

Let's flip the tables and hold encyclopedias infront of our faces, because those will stop a bullet.

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u/chrisbot128 15d ago

Closer to blindfolding someone at an execution than a form of “protection”

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u/jumpjumply 15d ago

Bro did you see the line. The bullets don't cross the line

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u/GreenTheHero 15d ago

"bullet deterrent tape"

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u/TheHollowBard 15d ago

This is not the party of foresight and wisdom.

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u/Kerensky97 15d ago

Exactly. No matter what expensive security measures we pay for there is always a risk to the kids because it's not the school layout that is killing the kids is the guns that are killing the kids.

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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 15d ago

The same thing that happens in the first classroom the shooter opens fire in. As always some kids will have to die so everybody can have as many guns as they want.

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u/Leon-the-Doggo 15d ago

While here in the Philippines, students are asked to bring bolos and machetes to school to cut the grass and shrubs.

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u/toughtiggy101 15d ago

For a moment I thought you were going to say “bring bolos and machetes to school to cut the shooter”

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u/moonmarriedacherry 15d ago

Doesn't happen in the Philippines, even though guns are abundant we don't shoot school, just each other

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u/TheRealReuben21 15d ago

Professionals have standards 🤣

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u/Mingey_FringeBiscuit 15d ago

“A man’s gots to have a code” - Omar Little (rip)

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u/AdditionalCall5271 15d ago

So what your saying is the kids aren't mental enough to want to shoot each other?

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u/Comfortable_Tone_374 15d ago

It's about society's mentality. US is sick.

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u/dashinny 15d ago

I believe it’s about the US’s standard of living and how as each year goes by it seems less and less hopeful for the future. I mean everyone might lose social security due to the republicans wanting to default on the debt ceiling. Homes are just unpurchasable without being raised with some sort of privilege. And getting jobs just seems like a struggle even with a bachelors. You look at a highschool teen who is told to look at his future and he sees this, plus all the other things like climate change, lgbtq political drama, etc. will feel less hopefully for any future. As someone who was bullied all throughout middle and highschool, and has suffered a crazy amount of mental health issues after my brother passed away at 15. I believe, You can handle the bullying at a certain point, as long as you have something to look forward to, but depression is something that can only be overcome if you have room to breathe and some hope for a future. Sorry if this was confusing to read, but trying to condense such a big topic into one paragraph is a challenge.

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u/Socially_Anxious_Rat 15d ago edited 14d ago

Just the other day my mom got a call from my younger brother. He was screaming that he was running through the woods behind his school because someone was shooting it up. For a whole hour I didn't know if my brother was alive or dead. Only to find out it was a false alarm because a police officer had "accidentally discharged their service weapon" while searching the school due to a call saying there was a gun in one of the bathrooms. What THE FUCK

EDIT: This isn't even the first issue involving gun violence at his school this year. Earlier this year a 6th graders parent did a murder suicide and killed his entire family and then himself.

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u/joelupi 15d ago

I was listening to the scanners and someone said they had 100-200 kids in the woods behind their house and had no idea what was going on.

I couldn't believe it when I heard it escalated because of a ND by the cop. I haven't looked to see what the follow-up was on that.

I will say it was good to cancel classes the next day and it sounds like they brought in some proper resources and didn't just go back to everything is normal when school opened the following day.

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u/mavisman 15d ago

My schools plan was to evacuate and meet up in the woods behind my in-laws house directly behind the school, so I could totally see this happening abruptly as practice.

That being said, my home room teacher promised us there was no way he’d ever take us to the agreed upon spot because I loudly announced “this is stupid, if I were a school shooter, now I know to just run straight to the spot where all the kids are going to huddle together”

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u/aminix89 15d ago

Would be seriously fucked if it had multiple shooters like Columbine and one kid planned to hit the school with the other one waiting for them to come to him.

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u/mavisman 15d ago

I didn’t want to be too precise, but that’s precisely what I said then.

It should only serve as a further condemnation of the system that I was never questioned for that, one other horribly distasteful public joke I made later, and that our entire class agreed to follow our teachers guidance rather than the school system

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u/Seve7h 15d ago

With the way things are going how longs it gonna be before kids evacuate from a school just to get shot by some dumbass “protecting his property from a gang of hoodlums”

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u/Digolden 15d ago

A Police officer ACCIDENTALLY discharges weapon while in school! I’m glad everyone is okay.

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u/AmaroWolfwood 15d ago

"Accidentally" officer probably got itchy fingers when his life was in danger. Glad we spend so much on all that training.

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u/ElGosso 15d ago

Hey, that toilet was coming straight for him

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u/AndreLoiseau 15d ago

Must've been a black toilet.

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u/Due_Dirt_8067 15d ago

JFK Wild West 4 kids

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u/okami6663 15d ago

How do you "accidentally discharge" your gun while searching????

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u/flavorfulcherry 15d ago

If only there was something on guns that would prevent them from being fired... Something like a switch... Somewhere easily accessible.... Hmm, we could maybe call it "safety"

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u/onefst250r 15d ago

Many police departments use Glock for their service weapon. They dont have traditional safeties. If your finger is even slightly on the trigger, its on fire.

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u/CiCi_Run 15d ago

Omg. How is your brother doing? And the rest of the family? I can't imagine the terror he must have had dealing with that, even though he was "safe" (safe outside in the woods and safe when he learned there was never a shooter). Like I'd never want to go back to school.

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u/Socially_Anxious_Rat 15d ago

My brother's fine, but his takeaway from the ordeal is that we need to give teachers guns.... I tried explaining why that's an awful idea, but he didn't really care. My mom was also upset with the fact that they canceled school for a single day after. She said that since no one was actually killed, they should just go straight back to teaching. My family is kinda fucked up like that.

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u/mtv2002 15d ago All-Seeing Upvote

I bet they approved this funding fast, but give teachers a raise? Nope can't afford it

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u/makin2k 15d ago

how do then contractors and the middle men will make money and survive on providing a superficial solution?

They can just bribe them to get all this nonsense approved and not give a single fuck about teachers, staffs or students.

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u/ZeroEnrichment 15d ago

Nah just cut teacher salary and book fund why increase their budget? /s

Clearly government don’t care enough pay teacher. Also having more teacher, more funding and more guidance counsel would be best plan. Would create more jobs and better future for children in school. And more one on one time for kid that may need it. But america is a business their no short term profit in that.

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u/dthedre 15d ago

If they only would spend this kind of money to give the children the support they need and a better education.

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u/Brrrrrruhhhhhhhh 15d ago

it show how far American can go, just to not say ban guns hahahaha

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u/CreativeOriginal69 15d ago

Laid 4 desks on their side and put books to their heads. This is a stupid as the videos of people hiding under a desk or blanket when nuclear sirens went off during the Cold War.

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u/kirbythegodofchaos 15d ago

Bro under the blanket is the safest place on earth.

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u/cute_red_benzo 15d ago

I mean...it works for monsters under my bed so

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u/Ulirius 15d ago

Tell that to the grudge girl. She'll tickle your toes to make you look under the covers.

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u/Sushi4Zombies 15d ago

Meh. . . At least there is a girl in my bed

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u/TheRealAndrewLeft 15d ago

Yep. I would smash too

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u/Ecstatic_Account_744 15d ago

She’s kinda cute. You know, like a goth Elisha Cuthbert in The Girl Next Door when she was all wet from the pool.

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u/SoggyCrew4669 15d ago

Deep cut, bro. How's your back feeling these days?

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u/Mighty_joosh Normal Island 15d ago

The monsters will take the hit from the nukes and you'll be okay

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u/Umba5308 15d ago

You must have not watched Indians jones, it’s obviously inside a fridge

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u/ContemplatingPrison 15d ago

It would suck to get shot in the face looking at a book cover

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u/RealNiceKnife 15d ago

It's so their face doesn't explode from a direct hit.

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u/edebt 15d ago

Too bad for the kids in Florida who had all of their books banned. How will they protect themselves from the shooter now.

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u/RealNiceKnife 15d ago

There is an emergency container in every class room now that is labeled "Shield of Faith" but it's just an empty box.

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u/Same-Salamander8690 15d ago

I was expecting rosaries for some reason

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u/RealNiceKnife 15d ago

No, that would cost money.

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u/SweatyHugz 15d ago

Damn, that's dank.

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 15d ago

This is a stupid as the videos of people hiding under a desk or blanket when nuclear sirens went off during the Cold War.

Duck and cover isn't as stupid as it sounds. If you're close to ground zero, there's virtually nothing you can do to save yourself from the blastwave. But outside it, there's a radiation zone from the light emitted from the blast. Being under any amount of cover can help from beta particles. And being below the window line may be sufficient to protect from gamma particles. The health differences between survivors of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were often due to where and how they were standing when the blast hit. Anything you can do to minimize your exposure to the flash can have a dramatic effect. (fallout later is another matter).

So policy was designed around preventative measures for those who might survive. Since you can't disseminate who needs to take which precautions, everybody ducks.

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u/The96kHz 15d ago

Alpha particles are a complete bitch, beta radiation's pretty horrible too, but they can't get through walls (or even clothes in alpha's case).

Gamma rays do not give a fuck. They're gonna mess with your DNA and come back for seconds.

The worst part is the dust. Tiny bits of all sorts of tasty heavy elements in your hair and on your clothes, pumping you full of spicyness. A blanket genuinely could make enough of a difference...but still, stay inside for at least 48 hours so the worst of the more bastard-y elements can decay.

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u/ThunkAsDrinklePeep 15d ago

Duck and cover is, per my understanding, just for the initial blast. It presumes you're far enough to not die outright from the blast and there's enough of society left to tell you what you should do to mitigate fallout in the subsequent hours.

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u/The96kHz 15d ago

If you're far away enough to not be vaporised, burn to death, inhale superheated air which boils your lungs, or have a shockwave/earthquake collapse a building on top of you, then it's better than literally nothing.

Gotta love that nuclear deterrent...

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u/Pole_Smokin_Bandit 15d ago

Came to ramble about that comment too but I see you've done so. Most excellent point good sir

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u/SiwyKtos 15d ago

They should show articles about this youtuber that made his gf shot him with deagle through the book, cuz he thought its gonna stop the bullet

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u/TheHollowBard 15d ago

Goddamn, why would you use a deagle? You start that experiment with the lowest stopping power possible.

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u/venk 15d ago

Your hold up is the gun? Why wouldn’t you test it with , say, a ballon before using a head?

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u/TheHollowBard 15d ago

Well yeah, but I was trying to put myself inside the shoes of the idiot who probably knows some things about guns, but doesn't understand basic safety. They aren't gonna take themselves out of the equation, but they must have some perspective on how powerful a handgun they're using.

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u/Bgratz1977 15d ago

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u/Dark_Booger 15d ago

We re-elect ours.

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u/driverofracecars 15d ago

I wonder how long until a former school shooter gets elected to office.

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u/MajoredInPhilosophy 15d ago

"If elected, I promise to be tough on criminals like me."

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u/ErrantQuill 15d ago

That's literally 90% of US presidents lmao

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u/MultiplyIsNotGain 15d ago

Kyle Rittenhouse is running for congress. Backed by Ted Cruse. So.

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u/IHateMath14 15d ago

Wait are you serious

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u/DeeDzai 15d ago

What the fuck, america

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u/MonKeePuzzle 15d ago

HA! as if schools could afford textbooks for the students to impotently hold in front of their faces.

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u/Lilmaggot 15d ago

They’re using the banned books as face shields.

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u/MonKeePuzzle 15d ago

just so long as they dont dare read them!

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u/DrNefarious11 15d ago

Well they spent the money on bullet resistant doors and cameras. Which, side note we need to cut student lunch. They installed panic buttons on EACH ROOM! So great. We also need to cut physical education. All restrooms are now equipped with genital scanners to ensure safety of the children. Oh and we’re firing half the teachers (because of funding).

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u/Low_Ad_3139 15d ago

That door won’t help if the shooter is in the room and already knows what will happen. They are training the mass shooter at the same time.

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u/DrNefarious11 15d ago

That’s what the genital scanners are for, obviously. Pay attention.

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u/3mperorPalpaMeme 15d ago

Also they'll already be weakened because they didn't have lunch it's all an amazing plan really!

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u/PNW_Explorer_16 15d ago Platinum

Was in HS when Columbine happened. Thought that would change so much…. And yet here we are doing everything but tackling the issue 24 years later with countless more atrocities.

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u/vainbuthonest 15d ago

Same. Literally the exact same thoughts. And now we’re expected to send our kids into the same hellscape. And for what?

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u/echoesofthedemiurge 15d ago

Schools are a panopticon now, i don’t think people in the USA are actually trying to address the problem just the symptoms like usual.this is gross.-.

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u/Environmental-Ad-762 15d ago

School is actually a booby trapped prison now

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago Platinum

Holy fuck…. The solution to gun violence in schools is to pile up in a huge meat pile with a few desks and some books to cover your face? Bruh…. They are literally making it easier for a person to acquire more targets in a quicker time. Never clump, spread out.

This is honestly sad and as a parent it’s fucked we have to subject our kids to even practicing for something like this. I really feel conflicted as being one of the last if not the very last generation of American that grew up without having to worry about this.

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u/Dark_Booger 15d ago

They are thinking about making it easier for the clean up crew by keeping the mess in a corner.

Oh that got dark.

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago

Holy fuck lol

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u/Ontario0000 15d ago

What's insane schools dont have money to help feed hungry students but willing to spend hundreds of thousands for a security system like this.Yeah holding a book over your head desk flipped over will stop a shooter.

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago

100% agree!!! It’s pretty unfortunate the extremely low bar set by the USA on making sure children have adequate food but they will spend thousands on training for this

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u/MegaArca10 15d ago

There isn't money to be made in not selling guns. There's plenty of money to be made in treating chronic illnesses caused by malnutrition. If they also get to kill off more of the lower classes, all the better in their eyes.

The system is working exactly as the capitalists intend.

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u/Pretty_Rub866 15d ago

the solution is for companies, that lobby the government, to force schools to spend insane amounts of money on security. because money has higher value than human life in capitalism.

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u/bumboclawt 15d ago

All while they defund education… so your books will be 45 years old and teach that a man did live in a fish and spoke to himself saying he was god but hey, at least they have bulletproof doors and smokescreens*

*the smokescreens and bulletproof doors won’t go to students in the hood. Nor will any sort of funding.

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u/MisthosLiving 15d ago

“God’s will” will be their reasoning.

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u/Jesuslovesmemost 15d ago

And the shooter is almost always a student so they're teaching the shooter as well. I had to do these drills when I was in HS and thought it was incredibly stupid and shortsighted.

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u/Bgratz1977 15d ago

Holy fuck…. The solution to gun violence in schools is to pile up in a huge meat pile with a few desks and some books to cover your face? Bruh…. They are literally making it easier for a person to acquire more targets in a quicker time. Never clump, spread out.

One idea so stupid it sounds came from a texas school.

They placed buckets with stones in the classroom, that moment a shooter enters the room 30 Kids will start throwing stones at him.

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u/RajenBull1 15d ago

Good old middle eastern technology. From whence their religion originated.

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago

Lol yeah that’s pretty fucked, but I feel like it’s better than laying in a meat pile

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u/TomSunterlan 15d ago

Having 30 stones hurled at you every 5 seconds will certainly present a challenge if you were a school shooter. Laying in a meat pile will just make it easier

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u/ThomasTheTankBuilder 15d ago

Christchurch shooting involved victims charging the suspect while other victims huddled together and piled on top of their children.

Literally, the bastard mag dumped into them all.

Horror.

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago

That’s exactly why I said it’s a bad idea.

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u/whichwitch9 15d ago

Not to mention the switches- all a shooter has to do is flip one to "safe".

The fobs are probably the only idea worthwhile in this whole video.

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u/Pop_Culture_Phan_Guy 15d ago

I grew up through the advancement of gun violence and just graduated from college. I’m not having kids. I’m 22 and to this day I check for exits, keep my head on a swivel, and jump at any pops or snapping sounds.

Between data collection, gun violence, climate change, and radical state politicians controlling people I just cannot in good conscious break ing a child into this world.

If I did I would move to Europe and raise them in a country that had common sense.

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u/OptOutOption1 15d ago

I wish it was easier to move to Europe

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u/Taco-Dragon 15d ago

This. People always think it's just "decide to move!" and that's the end of it. As someone currently trying to get EU citizenship (it would be dual citizenship), it's not that simple.

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u/Kerensky97 15d ago

But whatever you do don't pass any gun laws that might result in less guns on the street.

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago

Or god help us if we try to take past convictions/mental illness into consideration

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u/schrandomiser 15d ago

Makes it easier on the shooter, removes the "person" profile from the target.

They are no longer shooting at the shape and size of a person.

They are now shooting at a mound of faceless clothes and textbooks in the corner.

No more additional psychological trauma for the shooter.

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u/comradejiang 15d ago

The huge meat pile is exactly what happened at Sandy Hook, and Lanza literally just emptied mags and reloaded repeatedly because, well, let’s be real, he could sit there and do that as long as he wanted. He reloaded three times, one of them was a full mag dump, one was half a mag and then a jam, and the third was another half a mag. The final mag he used was also half a mag, so about 80 rounds total. 16 out of 18 in that bathroom were killed, and the other two were basically at the bottom of the pile insulated by corpses.

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u/Superb_Finance4293 15d ago

That’s so fucked up

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u/ZachtheKingsfan 15d ago

Sandy Hook happened during my senior year of high school. Literally the tail end of my regular education was the start of all of this being the norm

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u/Bgratz1977 15d ago

The book face palm really fits

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u/thegtabmx 15d ago

In the United States, books aren't for learning, they're for protecting your face against a barrage assault rifle bullets. Private schools get the hard covers, public schools get the paperbacks.

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u/SofaKingShorty 15d ago

I love how they act like this is a win...and not just the best way to lose....

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u/CrabbyT777 15d ago

I find it chilling how upbeat and enthusiastic the reporter is, instead of saying “isn’t it fucking terrible that it’s come to this”

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u/nottherealneal 15d ago

They've got a gun! Quick everyone huddle in one big mass that is a much easier target and cover your faces so they can forget your humanity

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u/itsJussaMe 15d ago

Honestly, at the point some nut job is killing kids “humanity” isn’t on his radar.

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u/nottherealneal 15d ago

It's usually other kids and not some random nutjob who just so happened to be at the school.

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u/Chem-Dawg74D 15d ago

Damn this is so sad 😞

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u/shadowdash66 15d ago

Anything so you don't have to admit there's a problem

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u/digital_dreams 15d ago

Willing to try any solution that doesn't impact gun industry profits, everyone knows that's what really matters.

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u/Gerry1of1 15d ago

The fact they need this system is a HUGE "L" for America

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u/neon7077 15d ago

We don’t need this shit. It isn’t a solution

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u/fjvgamer 15d ago

Jesus people would rather have this than some gun control?

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u/Gerf93 15d ago

Nothing says freedom like huddling in a corner shivering in fear trying to cover your face with a book to not be seen.

USA USA USA

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u/Any-Football3474 15d ago

My school. In 1980’s Belfast, was still safer than this school.

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u/Little_Historian_692 15d ago

We need those in Texas

Hooo no, I forgot the local government is trying to get rid of public education

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u/pellebeez 15d ago

Hmm most school shooters come from within the school.

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u/Low_Ad_3139 15d ago

Teaching the potential shooter how to amass more victims based on what they’re shown and told. Makes zero sense.

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u/BrightNooblar 15d ago

I like the cameras in the hallways. That way the 376 officers sitting around doing nothing can do so from a comfortable location while watching the livestream.

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u/rhedfish 15d ago

What a fucked up country.

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u/NaClslug 15d ago

Remember: Guns are always, always more important than people. The Second Amendment overrides your right to life. Just so you know. Love, The NRA and GOP

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u/Sassafrass17 15d ago

Welcome to America 🇺🇸

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u/Zomgirlxoxo 15d ago

What a way to traumatize kids

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u/Pop_Culture_Phan_Guy 15d ago Take My Energy Facepalm

Are you fucking kidding me??

This is freedom??

Fuck this shitty country. God fucking damn. Honestly the United States is pathetic, there is a clear solution to this issue and the fact we can’t get it done just shows how laughably stupid we are.

I bet the gun manufacturers are the same people who hold stock in the companies that produce all that tactical response equipment and surveillance equipment.

Everyone bitches about tax dollars, Welp there they are, right there. Lining the pockets of multi millionaires who produce surveillance equipment to keep children “safe”.

That $400,000 could have been used for mental health services, crisis responses teams, or ya know BUYING BACK GUNS but no, Daddy McFuckin Stuff doesn’t want to give up his stupid fucking hand gun so that $400,000 got spent here.

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u/astrangeone88 15d ago

What do you wanna bet the same schools had the "no free lunches" policies for lower income students but could afford to pay for the systems that look like they should be in Fallout not real life?

Geniuses. Let's not address the mental health issues, the food insecurity, the social shit (some people have made "guns" their personality)..

This is ridiculous.

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u/Risi30 15d ago

The fact that americans say Europe is bad is laughable, we dont deal with this, we deal at the root of the problem, gun control beter that USA and good healthcare

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u/ncos 15d ago

In fairness, I think most Americans agree European countries are doing better than us in many, many ways.

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u/imnotafi5h 15d ago

My mom told me about doing A-bomb drills when she was a kid im school. She knew it wouldn't do anything is the weirdness of it- it was theater for the adults. So, they did the drills and my mom has nightmares of the bombs dropping, to this day.

Gun control is how we reduce the number of gun deaths in schools. School shooter drills are theater for the adults.

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u/Ok-Worker4183 15d ago

Mostly good on the school for going to extreme measures to protect the children, but god this is dystopian

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

We protect our criminal banks, better than our children.

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u/DoritoWoofer 15d ago

Fuck this country I wanna leave

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u/Additional-Prompt-80 15d ago

If the school needs all of this, then it's not the safest school.

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u/brunocbbc 15d ago

Imagine thinking that banning guns is worse than this.

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u/WasatchWorms 15d ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again here.

The most advanced weapon available when the second amendment was written was a muzzle loaded rifle. The average soldier took 30 seconds to reload.

If the founding fathers knew that semi automatic weapons were going to be used in mass murders of children regularly I'm 100% sure that they would have at the very least worded the second amendment differently

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u/Lanenabella 15d ago

Disgusting 🤮 I gave up teaching because of this crap. Not worth my life. The hell.

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u/Jambojoo1 15d ago edited 15d ago

I honestly cannot believe this shit is still actually happening .. living in parts of America seems like torture and persistent trauma for young people. We had 1 major shooting near where I live in Scotland and gun laws were changed immediately like it should be. Why is it acceptable for children and teachers to keep loosing their lives,it’s being allowed to happen ,how many more years of the same horrors before the penny drops ?

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